they really just cant say ‘maybe being racist to any ethnicity/race is bad so lets just stop talking about it and let it die down’, but instead comes up with the most wild explaination how you cant be racist againts white people lol. Says he’s a graduate but cant even understand that the base of racism is prejudice/different treatment to a person or a group of people base on their ethnicity/race without provocation. Its in the word itself the root word is ‘race’ then ‘ism’ but somehow fly past their head.
by Wise_Celebration3253
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The entire argument can be boiled down to this
“It’s not racism because we redefined racism to not include it.”
It is pathetic and hilarious at this point that I can’t really take them seriously anymore, man… I just can’t… What to expect from a group of people with an IQ of 39?
It is like saying “racism is justified if you do it to “the richer one””
Like do they think every white people are rich as man? The rich one maybe just 0,001%
This is like in Indonesian where they kept saying chinese (tionghoa) as minority but also previleged by saying the top richest man in indonesian are majority chinese, while turn a blind eye to the other 95% chinese who either poor or just a middle class man
I will be “charitable”, in that that narrative is not limited to NDF, but many of the progressive crowd.
I kinda agree with him, like Hitler was not racist because Jews were all white and the whites hold all the the power in Nazi germany. /s
The TL;DR is stupid beyond belief.
Even if, in the best possible scenario, you change it from Racism to Prejudice
How does that fix anything!? Prejudice people are typically of the same vein as racist people. Nobody likes someone who is blatantly prejudice either.
Psych majors and their even constantly changing criteria thats full of holes,
It’s kind of funny that these assholes are being dragged out of their holes in front of normal people as a result of this, people been saying this kinda BS for a long time but only in places where they have power to harrass or silence anyone who disagrees, now weirdly thanks to the Uki drama they’ve been dragged into spaces where they have no power and any Joe on the street can call the bullshit out and they can’t do a goddamn thing lol.
Antisemitism. Need I say more? I’m sure this person hasn’t heard someone get call a “ginger” either? How about the mutilation of albinos all across the world?
This person is cherry picking. Once again, just because you have a psych degree with a unit or two in discrimination doesn’t mean you know world history, race relations, or the lived experiences of those you’re talking to. This wreaks of freshman syndrome real bad.
First sentence on Wikipedia about racism: Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity.
Power imbalances do not matter. Racists are racists.
Psychology has nothing to do with racism, that’s more of a sociological concept I would say. Also because I keep seeing this. Systemic racism is not the new definition of racism. The original person who coined the term had no intention of doing so. It’s just another way of looking at racism. The more traditional form of racism still exists which is prejudice against anyone’s race or racial characteristics. White is a race so you can be racist against them. Systemic racism and traditional racism both exist simultaneously. Anyone who says otherwise needs to turn in their college diploma because they obviously just wasted their parents money.
so racism stems from a power imbalance somehow, great psych major.
the yap session shouldve just been don’t violate someone because of their race end of, this isn’t about catching up with shortcomings or ‘we had no problems in the past compared to people of colour’, doesn’t make shit right to douse fire with fire 😭😭😭
>As a white person…
“Lol, didn’t read” – Uki Violeta probably.
Their copping mechanism really blows my mind sometimes. After reading all of that it really doesn’t make it look any better. I don’t know why they didn’t learn from what Kyo did with the Korea incident, you just apologize for making all those derogatory bad taste “jokes”, you promise to do better in the future and move on. It’s not that difficult.
Lol. Discrimination researcher – graduate. Profesional victim or some guy who’s job to create problems out of nothing.
I wonder if he would have the same mentality if he lived in a non-white country? I am black and white and worked at a company that heavily discriminated against white coworkers. I benefited by not being full white and was put in a much more relaxed position. White racism is real. Also, the guy seems to imply that white racism doesn’t affect white people much, which is an insane thought process. There are multiple countries to think of with high non-white populations. Also, just because somebody didn’t get offended doesn’t mean that the action was not wrong. I could be a scammer, and I could fail at scamming you. Just because I didn’t succeed in scamming you, and you didn’t lose money doesn’t mean that my actions were not wrong.
Also he say if you don’t like the jokes don’t engage. So does that mean we should never complain if someone makes a racist joke with malicious intent? The post was so terrible, that I wouldn’t be surprised if NijiSanji hires him for PR
The annoying thing is that these people definitely know the difference between systemic racism and malicious prejudice. It doesn’t matter whether or not white people can be the victims of systemic oppression. It’s still very valid to denounce an individual’s morals for being maliciously prejudiced.
This idiot is speaking from the perspective of modern America as if there isn’t an entire fucking world out there.
It boggles my mind that the same people who once pushed to differentiate systemic racism and regular racism now lump them both together. He MAY have a point if talking about the very specific matter of systemic racism in places like the US judicial system. But it has no place in this international community
AND IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT ABSOLVE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WHITE SKINNED PEOPLE
Let’s take his argument at face value. An asian man in an asian dominated company is expressing anti-white sentiment while his coworkers are white.
So there’s a power imbalance in favor of one race and there’s discrimination happening based upon the races involved. It would seem like that once you exit the headspace where whites and white culture is the only thing in power across the world, which is a very racist sentiment that all these people seem to have, situations like this fit their own definition of racism.
I do get what he’s saying, it just doesn’t apply anymore when someone or some country starts going *übermensch* on you.
These mf are out here acting like the entire history of the Slavic people doesn’t exist.
As a psychology-philosophy graduate, this person is objectively wrong
They’re conflating the original definition of racism with the definition of systemic racism
Yes white people will be fine relative to other races if met with racism, because of power dynamics yadda yadda, hence why I didn’t make as big a deal about Uki’s comments as others have
But I still gave *enough* of a deal against Uki’s comments because at the end of the day it was still wrong, because it was racist
No ifs whats or buts about it. I’m almost disappointed this person could have such an objectively wrong stance despite being a graduate. I’m guessing they took one too many classes with extremely liberal professors
Oh another one of those “systemic racism is the only racism” people
Also saying white people are so powerful and special tha they are immune to racism is kinda yikes no?
Y’all go to his Twitter page? He is a Vtuber, I could only imagine what many of his viewers would think after seeing these tweets. It’s batshit insane to post that as a Vtuber.
At best it might farm a very small amount of people that click him to rage out, but this has a long-term issue of him being a supporter of racism, even if he js white
This is another fool who thinks the only kind of racism that exists is institutional racism.
Lol, I didn’t needed to read beyond “Anti-white racism doesn’t exist” to know this thread is full of bullshit.
Racism is racism, no matter if the person who receive it is Black, Asian, Latin or White.
yea you’d be surprised how common this exact argument is in twitter and tiktok even before all this uki stuff happened
This person must believe that anti-semitism doesn’t exist either or racism doesn’t cross international borders like with Japan, Korea and China. Power balance has nothing to do there. Xenophobia and historical prejudice and plain hatred/fear exists when it is baked into you by your environment.
In any case, any form of hate due to discrimination is not welcome. It in their own rules of their stream, the very first one in fact
> 『 Rules 』
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> ✧ Please be mindful, and respectful. Any forms of hate or discrimination to anyone is not permitted.
If you have a standards, be expected to live up to it and be criticized when you don’t.
if you disagree with this person, that’s fine, but looking at their tweets, they are against nijien management and supported selen. calling them a “nijisister” just bc they are critical of the outcry against uki turns their actual thoughts into just some fanwar. argue against them in good faith instead of accusing them of being a niji management stan.
This is funnier to read when you are an actual psychology professional with a license (yes , i am an actual licensed psychometrician)
The way he said “i am specialising in bias” says a lot, he did not do his homework well
I might get convinced if you introduced yourself as a behavior specialist or a sociologists but bias specialist? Really? That’s your best shot??
But yeah, for nijisisters. Please do your homework. You may not know but there are actual professional in the fields of psychology, law or anything that is a vtuber fan
Ps: also, he’s bullshitting a lot here. Nothing makes sense on his statements in a level headed . Tbh, if this is said to me personally, i might mock him for blatant stupidity
I love how he said “In this country”.
Which one ? Because I’m pretty sure that white people don’t exist only in the USA. And that youtube exists in other countries than the USA.
The guy is so anti-racist, he forgets people that are not like him and his immediate surrounding exist.
This is so dumb. Honestly. Why dilute a word like racism. Do white people experience racism, rarely. Does that mean it doesn’t exist? No. Typically it is related to marginalized groups, but not exclusive. But it is done by hroups in a position of power. And power dynamics happen in many different ways, ononymity on the internet takes a lot of power away from people and adds it for others. Being an influencer significantly changes the power dynamic. But adding a caveat to a word like racism (white people cant be targetted by racism), sexism (cis-males can’t be the target of sexism) or even professionalism (garbage men can’t be professional, sorry just using an example… if you are a garbage man I love you) is the stupidest thing ever. The goal is equality, that means victim labels/powerwords like racism are not just for you and not for those who are generally perceived as the group in power. On one hand you want equality, but on the other hand it is OK to put down the other group if they experience a small part of what you experience(d). Childish.
Edit: Finally, I have met many people while in University. Many who also finished their bachelors or masters and who were genuinly stupid, mostly pandering to professors with buzzwords and cliche subjectmatter while being a little edgy. This person having a BA or MS in psychology is worth so much less than it was 60 years ago.
Here is a comment I think is relevant from curated Tumblr. From user u/ShadoW_StW
Kim, are men bourgeois?
This shit is one of big reasons why we suck at recruiting right now, btw, compared to alt-right.
When a normie tries to figure out what feminism is, first comprehensible to them answer will basically add up to “it’s misandry all the way down, they believe only women can have problems and/or only women are valued as people”, and very likely they will not encounter anyone disproving that notion.
The normie likely believes in gender equality, and would get radicalized as fuck if only someone thoroughly filled them in on what institutional misogyny is, but nobody will, because they stay the fuck away from feminist spaces, because they don’t like being near bigots. If they wander in by accident, they will immediately see a casual remark to the effect of “men are fucking horrible” and nobody calling it out, and fuck off, and try to avoid anything called feminism a bit harder now.
Because it turns out that without leftist brainrot we’re accustomed to, “[identity] are [dehumanization]” clashes with belief in equality even if the [identity] is “men”. Who would’ve fucking thought.
Alt-right know that they’re horrible, and that they can’t just present a normie with “I think women should be hunted for sport”, so they are very busy constructing layers of gradual radicalization. Absurdly, I don’t fucking see nearly as much of it from the left, because we are too busy talking to people who already think feminism is a good thing, because everyone here assumes that anyone who doesn’t is a commited bigot I guess?
This repeats for other identities. “[identity] are [dehumanization]” clashes with belief in equality even if the [identity] is “white”, for example, so when you are making racial stereotype jokes about white people, there’s someone watching and going “oh so that dude who told me the left is just racist against white people was actually correct, huh” because they don’t like jokes about racial stereotypes. You are not going to explain to them how actually you think it’s completely unproblematic since white people don’t face institutional racism, because they already removed themself from the bigot as far as they could. They’ll go talk with that dude who was “correct” a bunch more now.
What is bro yapping on about. This level of idiocy represents a greater level of decay in parts of the vtuber community.
Can’t we just have.. two different definitions of racism..? Or two terms that cover each case? Racism and Systemic Racism?
psych grad specialised in mental gymnastics I see.
1. Racism is racial prejudice, or prejudice against race.
To argue that racism must based on skin colour power imbalance is historically and politically ignorant.
Historically, white is not a singular and unified entity. USSR, Nazi Germany, Austria-Hungarian Empire, Pan-slavism, the partition of Poland, the Irish famine… even in the recent centuries, Europeans have been fighting and oppressing each others. To reduce Americans and Europeans as “white” is to reduce groups of people to nothing but their skin colours. It is racism.
Politically, white is also not a singular socioeconomic class. Is Barack Obama more oppressed than a poor homeless white? Is a healthy black college student more oppressed than a disabled white elderly? Is a black straight person more oppressed than a white gay trans man? Is a random black kid more oppressed than a bullied white kid? Is a black teacher more oppressed than a white student? Is a black boss more oppressed than a white cleaner?
The most basic political being is an individual. In the grand organism that is the society, each individual has a different power dynamic with each other. There is no constant, universally true oppression from one individual to another. Each individual comes from a unique background and experience. There is no bigger political minority than the individual self. When you discount the individual and see them as nothing but their colour, you are simply seeing them as a political tool to advance your goal.
And what of power? If white people had been the oppressor and therefore deserves to be prejudiced against, then what happens when another racial group takes power? How do you even define power? You want to stack all political positions with people with “anti-white prejudice”? Does that promote justice? What utility does it provide but to divide people by their skin?
And ultimately, all you will build is a racial political oppression hierarchy. White had more power therefore they are the bottom. Then somehow you will arrange black, Latino, Asians and indigenous people into a hierarchy of racism since they all hold different degrees of power in society.
2. Statistics of racism
Correlation is not causation. The numbers are an observation of outcome but not a cause. There are a plethora of issues that leads to worse outcomes for blacks people. There is racism, but there is more than just racism. Asians and Indians outperform white people in USA. By reducing societal issues to nothing but racial struggle is detrimental to societal improvement.
3. Jokes
White people can also joke about race without wholly believing in the stereotypes. You either allow both side to joke, or none. To say that white can’t joke because they are historically oppressors are, again, judging a group of diverse people, and an aggregate of individuals, solely by their skin.
“Prejudice is a type of racism” right into “Prejudice is not racism” next line is a wild add on
As another bachelor’s of psychology graduate (which I assume the tweeter is), he kinda has a point. If we’re talking labeling a thought, action, etc. as racism or prejudice, then yeah they’re different. But, someone who participates in prejudice or racism are still both a-holes. ITS STILL BAD and not an excuse for someone’s wrongdoings. If it causes harm to another’s well-being in any sort of way, it’s not a good thing no matter what word you use to describe it.
Please keep in in mind I only have a surface-level understanding of course so I admit to my ignorance and am very welcome to people who add more information to inform me. I didn’t know racism was a thing until I was well exposed to the internet (which is around 6 years ago). I was aware of prejudice people face but that’s more regarding gender and socioeconomic status. I know it should be my responsibility to be knowledgeable about factors that greatly affect mental health and I have no excuses for my ignorance up until now
Basically, his first TL;DR does have a point. The second one is also true but any of it being true doesn’t make it morally right
Edit: So after some surface reading and a minute to think, because I haven’t pondered on this topic that much until now, I now understand that racism is a type of prejudice stemming from a person’s racial characteristics, and that racism has different types and levels. Point still stands that it’s still an a-hole move
It’s because in the academic world, someone made the assertion that racism = systemic racism somewhere along the way and it caught on. I think the biggest problem is that we often get these types of “redfinitions” of commonly used terms and for some reason there is an expectation that everyone outside that circle is aware of this.
Some of the guy’s point kinda holds, but he is applying it on uki who’s actions absolutly reflects racism and not prejudice, most of his lines arent even attempts at being funny he just is venting at white people.
Someone needs to revoke his degree but if He is us American the wokeness will protect him
Having prejudice and bigotry isn’t a good look that they think it is. It’s still ugly even if the words are changed.
Dear sweet fucking God, this is so disgusting… I feel like throwing up looking at it.
OK. As a Chinese Canadian I am owed head tax in backpack from my ancestors time. I also am owed free rides on the CN Rail because we built your damn railway. Oh and I can guarantee myself a job over a white candidate. I also get to jump in front of a white person in the queue. Don’t forget that I can go up to any random white person and insult them because they oppressed my ancestors. Don’t get me started on the opium…
/s
What a load of bullshit.