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https://map.mta.info/#@40.7562764,-73.9803451,15.9z
https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/secret-history-great-subway-map-debate-1978-revealed
https://londonist.com/london/transport/5-big-lies-on-the-tube-map

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41 Comments

  1. Is it that hard to put both the maps on the subway station if it's such a big deal for them specifically in new york

  2. I mean… It's a diagram; not a map. There's no distance scale in the corner. If it was to scale, they probably would not have added the walking times. No offense, but I thought that was obvious? I mean, you don't assume wiring diagrams or fluid flow schematics are to scale, right? It always just struck me as I would guess was intended — transit diagrams tell you the order of stops, where things link up, stuff like that. Transit maps, which actually are supposed to be geographically accurate, are overlaid onto, well, geographically accurate maps. Diagrams, I've always thought, are clearly not geographically accurate, nor, often, to scale, the idea being to clearly and quickly differentiate between a diagram and a map, to anyone looking at it. Am I the only one?

  3. So then it's NOT "every" map. My nearest city has only 1 underground station in the whole city. Most areas are only served by a handful of buses. There are a maximum of 2 train lines (for downtown only, everywhere else only has 1). Misrepresentation, Bright Trip. Disappointed.

  4. I love the current NYC map, it’s pretty geographically correct. These one line diagram type maps always throw me off.

  5. Great video, thanks. I find schematic maps much more reassuring than the colourful spaghetti you get when you try to represent geography

  6. Today with maps in phones, this is only estimated but still useful. About London map, there is whole series under name Map Men and London unfinished 🙂

  7. The geographical maps didn’t seem that complex honestly. I like them more I think. I thought it was intuitive, no?

  8. Digital Maps are great, especially for details. But in my opinion, a paper/pdf/fixed map is essential, because you get an overview and understand the system better. Also, for the ability to put the map everywhere, on stations, bus stops, tourist leaflets, etc. a complete and well-designed non-digital version is essential.

  9. The MTA does have a live map online, that is geographically accurate and can be zoomed, and shows where trains are, and shows line/station closures in real time. It's buggy and needs some work but it's an excellent solution

  10. Jay foreman has already talked about this and the inventor of this map design in UK. This is the most effective way to make subway map

  11. What a clickbait title. That's like saying "Why EVERY Nutrition Label is Wrong", then go on to say nutrition labels don't tell us the flavours of the contents.

  12. London (TFL) Map is great but the App. (TFL GO) allows you to get directions between two points, it is dynamic so if a part of the network is shut or busy it will change the route, also includes buses, trams and walking

  13. look into the books of dtandards manual publishing house,, beautiful interesting stuff on nyc subway design :))

  14. sorry, I find your take completely wrong. for starters these are not MAPS. They are DIAGRAMS, designed to get people from A to B in a city they are already familiar with, without the need to use "outside" world landmarks and waypoints. They are designed for residents, regular commuters, not tourists who worry about how to go from one sightseeing point to another. Details like where north is or where a river is are superfluous, and detract from the overall legibility.

  15. Honestly, I think this is only pointing out the obvious.

    Transit diagrams are supposed to be topological: only the stations and the routes between them are important. The geographical distances are irrelevant: I think everyone who understands the purpose of a transit diagram understands this.

    Calling a transit diagram "wrong" because it doesn't show geographical distances, is like calling a spoon "wrong" because it can't be used for cutting.

  16. This is not "the problem" with every transport map, this is their advantage! Underground you only need to know how to get from A to B, not the exact geography

  17. Personally don't see anything wrong with these kinds of metro maps – they do exactly what they're designed to do, which is tell you how to get from one station to another – they don't need to be geographically accurate, because it's not trying to be a road map or walking map, which means they can be neater, more organised and hence easier to read

  18. I think there are two kinds of scenarios, where different transit maps are relevant. For Subways, Metros, S-Bahn, etc. having a diagram makes a lot of sense. Chances are you’re trips will be quite long anyways, so leaving the system isn’t a real option.

    If you’re trying to show trams and busses I think being geographically realistic (not necessarily exact) is much more important. Frequencies, speed and distances between stations are lower and lines generally follow the streets, so it’s very useful to be able to see which stations are in walking distance of each other. Walking a couple of meters to a different stop could mean much better service, but to make that call you need to be able to estimate the distance.

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