New York’s LaGuardia Airport is one of the most convenient airports for much of New York City and its surrounding areas. However, it is vastly limited in terms of the flights that it can host, thanks to a perimeter rule. From time-to-time, there is some talk about lifting that perimeter rule.
What exactly is this perimeter rule? And how would lifting it impact LaGuardia Airport?
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Before there was a JFK airport (or even Idlewild), LaGuardia was New York's International Airport. The Customs facility is STILL there — in the old Marine Air Terminal — but it's disused since Idlewild/JFK was built…
I would advocate building a new International Airport in the New Jersey Meadowlands and a regional airport on the grounds of Pilgrim State Hospital near Hauppauge, Long Island — then CLOSING LaGuardia and limiting Newark airport to AIRFREIGHT flights.
The problem of JFK and EWR is lacking of an adequate air train (that toy train taking you from the middle of nowhere to the middle of nowhere but still cost a lot doesn't count an airtrain).
LaGuardia is used as much as is conceivable. They shouldn't make rules more open; the length of the runways, the incredible air traffic problem, the radio interference from such a densely packed area, the airport is already well past 'capacity'. As it is, road traffic is such NJ and CT former customers now have to use their smaller airports or wait a couple of hours in traffic…
The background music is extremely disturbing. Get your shit togeter. nowadays background music effects are only used to enhance dramatisation, not to make us you harder to understand.
LaGuardia is also much more vulnerable to bird strikes (miracle on the Hudson for example) due to its bad location vis-a-vis birds. They've done a lot to reduce the likelihood of bird strikes but I reckon the ONGOING cost of this would make it uneconomical – which is one of the key arguments why "Boris Island" in the UK Thames Estuary (in middle of major bird migratory paths) was vetoed when they considered alternatives to LHR.
Airports away from built up areas on reclaimed land from the sea can work very well so I'm not condemning them….. But you must also be very aware of bird migratory patterns unless you want to spend a lot of cash killing birds that might be a hazard.
EDIT – small birds are not necessarily a problem. Big birds like Canada Geese, if hitting an engine, will disable it or outright blow it up. The latter is why LaGuardia continues to be paranoid about birds. It is near big bird flight paths.
seems like a perimeter rule is out of date. maybe they should use a "capacity rule" that restricts smaller commuter jets. I.e. instead of 3 dash-8 flights to XYZ airport, they can factor it down to 1 737/a320 flight. they should tend toward rules that minimize the number of takeoff/landings (enforcement of capacity rules would follow by economics, if a daily Albuquerque flight were only 50% full the airline would cancel it). Airlines should be most incentivized to reduce total flights while maximizing aircraft PAX load, i.e. maximize loads on larger aircraft.
LGA perimeter rule has an exception for Denver, CO
AND the problem with this video is THAT voice; I regret you need a NEW narrator
Once Rikers Island shuts down, it will be incorporated for LGA expansion. Stay tuned.
The fact it sits in a crime infested liberal cesspool ?
theres no problem hows there one
o nvm
I hate this airport with a passion the whole airport sucks the traffic sucks it’s down rite criminal sometimes the traffic and also on the highway my god I refuse to fly out of lga I only use jfk
LGA has improved a lot with the buildouts over the last couple years, but I definitely do not want to see airlines expanding there. I recall all too well, the >1hr taxi time from gate to runway (pre-covid). And that should not be the go to way to operate, airport should limit flights based on congestion.
One big issue with LGA is that it’s surrounded by water. So it’s one of the harder airports to land at. And the runways are short. So you have to make sure you don’t go into the water and that you stop in time. Overall I like LGA. Flying into there in about 2 weeks.
Flying out of LGA to IAH tomorrow!
This airport is HORRIBLE. In terminal B the gates are hidden after you reach the food court and it is extremely confusing. They should Hve put a sign before your exit gate 40 to 49 saying you will head into arrivals. And the gate linksare too far ! It's WORST than a THIRD world country. I'll. Never go to LA Guardia again
LGA should lengthen the runways they have as well. Perhaps adding another 31
A 757-200 could probably handle the longer runway at LGA
His perimeter graphics must be in km.
Actually the "real problem" is the short runways at LGA. The two runways are only 7001' or 7003' and too short for long haul flights that require MUCH longer runways like those at JFK or EWR. Large international aircraft, fueled for an international flight are VERY heavy and need nearly 10,000' of runway to takeoff and land safely.
Actually, the business of the airports in NYC are in the hands of the Mafia, has been, is and shall be. What other major city it the world would have NO PUBLIC transportation joining its airports?? With the longest most sophisticated subway system of any city in the world, no subway train goes to the airports. Why all these: the limosine and tax services are the exclusive domain of Mafia. They dont want the easy, fast an cheap public transports to the airport to ruin their cash caw. AND, the farther away an airport, the more cab/limo fares they collect. From LaGuardia into Manhattan you pay $30 with tip. From JFK or New Ark, $75-85… Therefore, LaGuardia, although it has all the room to become a large international airport INSIDE the city (it is on the bay, and can expand into it), it is kept huddle like a village hut, not allowed to expand, modernize or have easy access to the rest of the city. Even highways skirt it, never mind the public transports. Meanwhile, the blind "environmentalists" have been played into the Mafia's hands without even know in it.
You should make an eye-opening documentary on that one, bud
Good video, not sure if you know but in the late 80s and much of the 1990s LaGuardia was able to and still could host widebody aircraft. Specifically L-1011, DC-10 and 767 aircraft. Delta flew the 767 and 1011 quite a bit out of LGA as they both were able to take off on short runways. In addition the 757 is still flown out of LGA from time to time.
You're English, we pronounce it Ca-ri-BEE-an
“Southwest was one of the major catalysts of this growth at DAL.” Yeah …I think being the sole driving force behind the repeal and then having 18 out of 20 gates immediately afterward makes you, y’know, the catalyst.
I remember flying a DC-10 into LGA in the 80's. I think TWA
Yes the rule should be lifted.. No matter what its intentions are, it amounts to unfair competition. Let's say I own a small airline that only operates out LGA in the New York area. That rule eliminates me from flying to the west coast. Larger airlines have a presence at all the NY area airports. My company may be a relatively small airline..maybe my airline is not large enough to have a presence at EWR, JFK, LGA. That rule assures that only the big boys can serve the longer distance routes..plus it adds extra cost for the customers. I notice a nonstop flight costs less than a connecting flight to the same destination.
LaGuardia is an extremely dangerous airport with it's short runways especially in the winter ! I avoid it at all costs regardless of it's so called convenience !
I love that this is the only airport in the NYC area where an an employee can actually ride their bicycle into. When in traffic bicycles can get through traffic much easier. Just last night I ride my folding Brompton bike to pick up my son and then we took mass transit home to NJ. It would be great if ALL airports offered a safe way to bike into airports.
The problem with the perimeter rule and the NYC airport system in general is that it makes connections impractical. When I was looking at flight options to West Africa, Delta's JFK-DKR flight looked ideal. But the only flights to NYC from my local airport were to LGA and EWR, so that would have involved a very messy airport change and losing the protection of flying on a single ticket. So I flew a much longer itinerary through CDG instead.
I’ve lived in the US for forty years and worked in the airline industry but I never knew about this rule. 1500 miles sounds like a lot, but in the US it really isn’t.
I just flew out of LaGuardia a couple of weeks ago and, although it is still not a great airport for traffic, the renovations and expansions are amazing! It looks like a completely different airport now! Obviously there are still some technical things that need to be fixed like the runway and the perimeter rule, but it is putting JFK to shame based on design of the actual airport, in my opinion.