Oriental Pearl talks China and Japan differences, in Yokohama Chinatown.

Oriental Pearl talks China and Japan differences, in Yokohama Chinatown.

My Japan is more authentic than your Japan. I love Japan more than you. My Japan I’ve had 20 years of experience to your puny what? Seven 13 in Asia. Yeah. Orient Pearl. Yep. Nice to meet you. China China told you to take that name, right? Uh yes. Because I’m promoting Shanghai over Tokyo. So you guys should take a trip to Shanghai. And we’re going to get Paul on board, too. He’s going to accept the China money soon. We’re going to make him a deal he can’t refuse. My secret CIA ties won’t allow that to happen. No, we’ll pay you more than the Americans. China’s got more money. Okay, let’s talk off camera. Okay, good. What is good everyone? Welcome to the channel. My name is Paul. I make videos about Japanese society, life, and culture from the viewpoint of a long-term foreign resident. I’ve been in Japan for over 20 years and someone who’s been in Japan for a number of years, not quite that long. Not 20 years, not 20 years. Is my guest Oriental Pearl today. Hey, everybody. Thanks for having me on, Paul. She has not been in Japan as long, but she has also had the experience of living elsewhere. Yokohama Chinatown. You know, fake China, right? Uh there’s a lot of Chinese people living here, but the food here is pretty fake. The food is not quite authentic. So, what I wanted to talk about today is the experience of coming to Japan after living in a different country, namely China before and also Taiwan as well. Correct. For a short amount of time. Yeah. So, what is it really like? You know, a lot of my audience, they’ve moved to Japan. They’ve been here a long time, but it’s probably the only foreign country they lived in. What was it like coming to Japan after living somewhere else, a different foreign country first? That’s a great question. Well, I felt like anyone coming to Japan and living here or traveling here, you have Asia on level easy. Okay. It is so accommodating. It’s so accommodating here. And there’s so many things that I didn’t have to worry about here that I had to worry about in China. It’s so much more westernized here. Mhm. Very heavily American influenced obviously considering the history. Right. Right. I find Japan easier to live in than China. Many ways. In many many ways. I like both countries, but from a westerner living here from that perspective, oh it’s way easier to live here. Do you see that as a good thing or did you enjoy the challenge of something that was a little less western, a little less like close to home? I definitely picked China and harping China way in the north, not Beijing, Shanghai, just so I could get away from Westerners and Western influence and just focus on learning Chinese. Okay. So, from that perspective, I think it’s way easier to get wrapped up in the expat community and not really experience the country if you’re in Japan and Tokyo than China. Well, let me ask you this though. You say that Japan is more westernized and you really really went to Harbing to kind of get away from the western expat influence and English. I didn’t want to speak English. So, is that any different from someone who has moved to Japan and started off in like the mountains of Wakayyama or or Yamaguchi? Is that You mentioned Tokyo, but a lot of Japan is not Tokyo. Yep, that’s true. If you went to the Inaka to live in Japan, I think you still have it more on easy mode, okay, than if you were to go into a place like a second tier city in China. And I say that because of the infrastructure. You have modern infrastructure there. You’re going to find a toilet easily. You’re going to find you’re not going to have to deal with a lot of stuff that you would have to deal with in China. Even things you wouldn’t think of like opening a bank account. They make it very difficult. There are hotels that are designated for foreigners in China. They never have this in Japan, but if you’re traveling there, you have to go to the designated foreigner hotel. Okay? You have to show your ID when you get on to a Shin Ken and it better match your name exactly or you’re not getting the ticket. Like all these um some of it’s political red tape they put up. Sure. I mean, politically, Japan is so much closer to the West. So, you’re just going to be more in line with everybody’s way of thinking here. Culturally, very different. Politically, very similar to the US. So, that’s that’s going to make it a lot more difficult wherever you go in China versus going to the countryside here. Okay. Where you know, people are in agreement with you politically. People are used to the standard of living you’re used to. Mhm. Lots of things like that. Okay, that makes perfect sense. U what would you say was your biggest surprise though moving to Japan that you thought maybe was a little more difficult or uh was not up to your expectation? Cuz I think you’re right that for the most part Japan is Asia on easy mode and it pretty much does exactly what it says on the tin. Like Yep. Well, I mean Japan is a high trust society so you don’t have to worry about getting pickpocketed much. You leave your wallet or something on a train in a store, you’ll get it back. Mhm. But it is uneasy mode here for sure. You can be kind of a dumb gajene and you won’t get taken advantage of so much here. That’s true. I think it’s probably easier to be a tourist as well, right? Yeah. You got to have some knowledge about the country to go and live in China or India or other places in Asia. You you need some street smarts. You need some some background. You can come and be a dumb tourist in Japan. You’re going to be fine. Yes. Yes. That’s very true. You can make all the mistakes that might cost you dearly in other places, but you’ll be fine. It’s easy mode. It’s very safe. High trust society. You they’ll they’ll help you if you do something dumb, okay? Like leave your bag on the counter when you go to the toilet. Um nobody’s going to steal it. But do you really feel that’s suitable for you? cuz I really got the impression in talking with you that you liked being in China and you were upset when you couldn’t go back during Corona and things like that. I was very upset. So what why Japan then when I mean why did you even end up here after really wanting to be in China? I wanted to live in either place. The the big thing was the money. The biggest shock coming to Japan was actually how much everything costs. You and I were talking about getting ripped off by taxi drivers. That doesn’t happen here. But you’re already paying four times the regular ripoff price in China. If you were to get ripped off there, you’re still paying far less than you would pay the regular price in Japan. True. True. Yes. Everything’s already baked into the price. You’re not going to be able to bargain. That shocked me coming here that everything was so expensive, especially as a poor student. And I was shocked by the rules and the strictness and, you know, especially at the Japanese language school micromanaging everything. We go out for our breaks. No, don’t stand there. I’m like, come on. I’m just standing. Yeah. Yeah. That’s So, I did find it more comfortable in China from that perspective. People I didn’t know would open up right away. You could become someone’s best friend on the bus so easily. Talk to anybody. They’d invite you to your h their house for dinner. Met them on the airplane. Crazy stories that would never happen in Japan. So, I like that. I like that a lot. Never happened in Japan. Again, I do think there is a difference. countryside and city. Like when you’re out in the more rural areas, you can be in a restaurant and suddenly you’re best friends with the people at the next table over. That’s cool. Um it does happen and certainly it’s happened to me when I lived in the countryside, but I agree where I am now unless I have some other social obligation like we’re neighbors or co-workers or something, you don’t end up just talking to people that you don’t know. And it’s really kind of sad, but it seems like Japan is even moving more and more to that. Yeah, because of the automation in restaurants where everyone orders with a tablet. I just ran I just ran you into a poll. Sorry about that. That’s why I like to come here and where my channel was kind of started was here cuz I just want to chat with strangers. I just wanted to have a funny conversation with someone I didn’t know. It’s a little harder to do with Japanese staff, you know? It’s all business, you know. This is the price here, pay it. I don’t want to make small talk. Well, do you find that uh coming here and talking to the Chinese diaspora who are in this area, are they are they still very Chinese or they become like Japanese by being here? No, they’re very very Chinese. Very Chinese. Okay. Yes, they have their own community. Some people here that work don’t speak Japanese at all. I’ve definitely noticed that. I’ve been in some of the restaurants where where the only functional language was was point at the menu. Basically, we couldn’t Japanese and English both didn’t work. Probably famously the Chinese residents in Japan, it’s one of the oldest foreigner community. It is in Japan. And yes, I mean this Chinatown and also ones in Coobe and out in Nagasaki. It’s been here since the 1880s. I didn’t realize that. Yeah, it’s actually I mean it started mostly as a place for where Chinese who were living here and working. Uh this was the area that they settled and lived which I think is the story of many Chinatowns everywhere. It’s just in more modern days it’s become you know a tourist destination for many Japanese and mostly Japanese. You don’t see a lot of foreign tourists here because most people don’t come to Japan to go to Chinatown, right? That’s a little bit weird, but uh you mentioned that the Chinese community still remains very Chinese in many respects. It does because there’s so many people here that there’s not always a need to integrate. You can work at some of these shops with very limited Japanese language ability. But that’s kind of the same for us. Can we go this way? Sure. It’s kind of the same for us uh Americans and Westerners, though there are very few of us. When we talk about foreigners in Japan, it’s a little bit silly to talk about people like you and I because we’re almost non-existent. We’re a minority within the minority. We might stand out, but there’s really very few of us. Um Mhm. Yeah. It’s hard for people to integrate into the community, even for Westerners. But since there’s almost a million Chinese people, probably last time I checked, almost 800,000 Chinese immigrants are living in Japan. They’re the biggest group. Mhm. They have a lot of choices for making friends with or Chinese people. They don’t always need to integrate. Sure. But the last time I checked, it was like almost 800,000 of the permanent residents and people living in Japan as foreigners were Chinese. Next was Korean, like 550,000 or so. This was from a few years ago. And then Vietnamese is the upcoming foreign group. There’s like over 400,000 of them. And no point of that on that list were there. Americans, British, Canadians were like such a small group. And even the Americans who are on the list, there’s a huge number of them who are military. Half of them are military military related and they don’t even stay that long. Most of them, some do, but most of them. When I see those videos online about some foreigner who’s visibly foreign does something rude, it’s like a minority within a minority. It’s it’s not causing the friction between Japan and the rest of the world in this political climate where we’ve just got a new prime minister that’s very she’s a hardliner that Mhm. is coming more from the issues between Japan and its neighbors than anything to do with us. So I always found those videos very annoying just why latch on to this topic that is foreigners are causing problems in Japan but who like what are we actually talking about? Yeah. But the actual problems are more about people opening businesses here. Mhm. Um Chinese people opening businesses and there’s some competition with the local Japanese businesses. Some animosity. Also people changing their citizenship to Japanese. Okay. Usually from Chinese to Japanese and then trying to change the way things work here. Okay. Politically that makes people mad. And that that has nothing to do with uh any of the stuff that’s really talked about the on the internet. Well, right. The reason is likely because you mentioned we are the visible minority. It makes for good video, doesn’t it? Cuz you you can’t really tell when uh you see people on the street who’s who’s the foreigner, who’s not. They blend in much better than we do. At least when you hear them talk, it’s obvious, but it makes for a good video when it’s someone who’s visibly foreign. Sure. That’s just how the algorithm works, doesn’t it? Would you say that you’ve noticed any difference though in treatment uh of yourself or anyone around you for being foreign in this current climate of like oh oh this foreigners are the the idea that foreigners are being a problem in Japan etc. No, I haven’t. Have you? No. Okay. No, not at all. I didn’t notice any difference. But I’m not we’re not the kind of foreigners that get the flak. Sure. I do think Japan has a double standard for Western foreigners and other Asian countries. And we do get a lot of undeserved benefits or undeserved trust just because we’re from a country that Japan has a good impression of. Yeah. And it goes back to how westernized you said this place already is. I mean, there’s so much American influence and western influence, which is ironic when you think about the idea of like Japan first and going back to like real Japanese culture. But in this day and age, what is that exactly? Going back beyond World War II when, you know, the American occupation happened. I I don’t know if even the language, they have these katakana words that came straight from English. Um, yeah, you were talking very Americanized. You were talking about this earlier, how in China they don’t they resist western world words and it’s a political point. Yes. It’s funny because when I was in China many years ago, my friend was pointing out how, you know, they don’t like take the syllables of McDonald’s and turn it into something like they actually have to come up with a set of Chinese characters that even more like words like Christmas. It’s kurismasu here in Japan that’s been Americanized. It’s kurismasu in South Korea that’s been Americanized. North Korea and China hate all western words. They don’t want English to be a part. It’s loosened up but really through the 70 60s7s and 80s super anti-American. You take a word like Christmas they’ll change it to shankier completely different all in traditional you know regular characters. It’s just it’s very interesting. And you compare that to Taiwan, they have a lot more Americanized words. Sure. Um, one word was mayonnaise. Sometimes like in Taiwan, they’re more likely to call it mayonnaise or something something similar. And uh I what was it in China mainland China? Something like something sounds just like mayonnaise. But that’s just a point. Like you take the word soccer in Japan, it’s soccer. In K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K Korean, it’s more Saka. Same thing. In North Korea and China, they’ll call it something completely different just to spite the West. And I I thought that was cool actually. I’m like, I want the pure Chinese. I don’t want any of these western words. I’m learning another language. Well, there are Japanese who are on board with that idea in a way because I a few years ago there was this guy who brought a lawsuit against NHK and his lawsuit was claiming that he doesn’t understand the news broadcast because there’s too many loan words. He wanted them to go like NHK, the national broadcaster should go back to using pure Japanese, right? Um it’s it’s interesting. Um, and they do that in China like they’ll take saka and make it zooio literally foot and ball. Football. Um, Bluetooth. La blue tooth. Really? Yes. Okay. For people that say, you know, bring Japan back to Japanese. I What are we going to do? Get rid of the kapakana words? Like Japan is the most heavily influenced country in Asia. Perhaps heavily influenced by the West. What I think they mean and I think westerners when they repeat those points and say keep Japanese Japan Japanese they want other foreign culture out keep the western culture but they don’t want other foreign culture to enter. So it’s really that divide of like other Asian or uh other Asian countries or western US that kind of thing. Exactly. Well, that getting back to culture or Vietnamese culture, Cambodian culture, they don’t want the people that are promoting that are are a bit contradicting themselves because Western culture is all over here and they have no problem with that. And that’s well, how does that now translate with the kind of sentiment that’s out there towards foreigners and we’re specifying not western foreigners in a sense? It’s such a clumsy word, foreigner. doesn’t doesn’t differentiate between resident and non-resident and like are you from Asia or Europe or whatever. I felt the same way in China because when I was in China, I was with the the Japanese foreigners. We were in the same group. Now that I’m in Japan, I’m with the Chinese foreigners. We’re in the same group. I’m like, we we’re not the same people at all. It’s just a very clumsy word like you said. Mhm. Geicoen just outside country person. What guy? What? Yeah. What does that actually mean? Where guy kokuin think this, guy do this, they do that, gaeen do that. Which who? Yeah, the media might sometimes differentiate and say guy kangokaku like specifying tourists. But if you’re talking to people on the street, they’re just going to be like, oh, you know, you know who who uh left his trash by the the uh vending machine, who left their suitcase, the broken suitcase on the street. They they won’t they’re not going to say they’re going to say like we saw the foreigners left it there. Is this affecting cuz you’re still I believe very plugged into Chinese community here in Japan. Is this affecting them? Because you mentioned like it’s they’re not really talking about us but they are talking about them. And so what’s what’s going on with the Chinese community in Japan? how I can they’re they get a lot more flak than we do and they because they look more like Japanese. They don’t get the gajin card as much in the office. They don’t get a pass for when they make mistakes as much. It’s always been like that, but there’s a lot more tensions now between Chinese people living here and, you know, the living in Japan, Japan versus the immigrants. there’s a lot more tension. But honestly, I can’t 100% blame Japan for this by any means because when I lived in China, the rhetoric against Japan was horrible. Sure, I wasn’t even I wasn’t even um on Japan’s side. When I first moved to China, I didn’t know much about this country. I didn’t really care. But I actually got interested in Japan because in Harbing, they would talk so much crap about this country. Even my students that were six or seven years old that didn’t even know what Japan was would call it stupid or smelly. Whatever English word I taught them that was negative. I’m like, make a sentence. Okay, the word is smelly. Future Japan is smelly. I’m like, shut up. I don’t even care about I didn’t care about Japan at that time, but it got me curious about here. Kind of like somebody tells you something bad is bad, you check it out and you end up liking it. This brings us full circle. you you started in a country that was harder and you you dist yourself from western culture but then your Chinese students uh Chinese people gave you the image that oh Japan maybe is really hard so that’s why you came here next no that was no it was honestly when I I thought I was on a good uh good chain of events there the thing that got me interested in Japan other than the kanji was one day I was in my Chinese language school and I knew they had Korean teachers and Japanese teachers there And I saw a guy walk in and he was the only guy that wiped his feet off. Everyone else was muddying up the floor cuz it was the middle of the winter. One guy went and he spent so much time like making sure his feet were clean and I’m like, “That’s a Japanese teacher, isn’t it?” I had such a good impression after that and I’ve got I got more and more curious about the country. Okay. So, it was it was kind of like um yeah, that was the start. Interesting. I feel like I’m the person to exaggerate that now. Like living in Japan, if my feet are dirty, I make a big show of like how I’m trying to be extra clean. Like I’m I’m fitting in like I’m, you know, a good foreigner. But yeah, the anti that’s a that’s a rough phrase. In China, the anti-Japan rhetoric drove me crazy. In Japan, the anti-China rhetoric also drives me crazy. The bashing back and forth. Well, it’s like it’s based on stereotypes and and rumors and things that aren’t really fair. I mean, if you think about the community that’s been here where we are for so many years and has become an integral part part of the identity of Yokohama, frankly speaking, and a beloved place for people to come and and get their palm read and have some tea and and uh some street food. I mean, if we can keep that kind of relation, that would be best. Any words of what is our way out of this? Oh my gosh. I mean, what is the way out of this? solve the geopolitical right now please. It’s so funny cuz my thesis was written on Japan US China relations. So this is exactly my area of study. We are about to learn the answer right now exclusive on XJapter channel. What is the solution? Oh my gosh. If I figured out a solution, I should be president of the United States or president of to get China and Japan to stop picking at each other. How do we stop that? Yeah. What are we going to do about the Gaoyu, the S Kakushoto? What are we going to do about um all these issues? What are we going to do about the Japanese constitution and article 9 that prevents Japan from having a military? That’s something they’re thinking of changing. Like these are all What are we going to do about Yasukuni Shrine? What are we going to do about It’s such a big thing. I don’t have a solution. I don’t know. I don’t know. And don’t look to me. I don’t know either. But yeah, that is causing the main problems with Japan versus immigrants. It’s more of Japan versus neighbors. Mhm. Which is the worst kind of fight, right? When neighbors are at each other, it’s What are we going to do about Taiwan? Can’t escape it. You have a solution for that? What are we going to Should we do the Middle East after we solve this one? Like, what? Come on. Um, but it’s been a fight for almost a hundred years now. Yeah. And there’s a lot of wounds and a lot of bad mouthing on both sides. And a lot of coverups, but a lot of bringing up stuff or, you know, this generation in China right now dislikes Japan more than their grandparents who actually went through World War II. Mhm. I put that in one of my papers in China and I got a D. I’m supposed to say that. You’re not. Yeah, that that goes against the uh propaganda goals, right? He didn’t tell me why he gave me a D. I bet the teacher would probably say it was just wasn’t well researched. I don’t know. But these are things you can’t really talk about. But that’s one thing I love about being here is if I do a video about a topic that’s positive or negative about Japan, nobody’s ever going to come for me. The police will not show up at my door. I will not get talked to at the co. Um, so that’s one thing that you will never have to worry about as a foreigner living here in Japan. You could protest on the street, you’ll be fine. You could join a protest or film a protest, you’ll be fine. That was my biggest shock going to China, there were a lot of protests over the Senkakushoto. First day, first day I was there, those islands, they were doing anti-Japan protests and I was like, “Wow.” And my boss told me, “Do not film or take pictures of the protest.” We had a teacher do that last week. He got detained. Even if you take a photo of it. Yeah. Yeah. The crackdown on any kind of media that could look like dissent or or Well, they were all in unison over that. And I think the government was Well, they they were letting those Yeah. They were letting it happen. Like if it’s a protest like that, it’ll be allowed to add fire. Adding fuel to it a bit too. Right. Right. But as a foreigner, you have to be a lot more careful there. Well, I guess we can we can start off just by saying uh but China is still cool. And if you do have a chance to visit there, sorry, I love Japan. Way more to see in China. I was also paid to say this by the CCP. There’s way more. Don’t even bother going to Tokyo. Go to Shanghai and go to the west. See the mountains. See the desert. It’s beautiful. All right. That’s my paid advertisement. All right. All right. Well, as a uh No, it really is though. Actually, travel there is a lot more interesting if you’re going to go for like multiple trips or see the whole country. It’s like comparing America versus the UK, an island versus a continent. Obviously, there’s a lot more to see. Sure. I was trying to think of some way I was going to work in how I’m a CIA operative and now I have to I have to push back against this narrative, but I’m just not that swift. Well, I think better awareness uh from all parties like you know even just watching this video let us know in the comments like not obviously what the solutions are but how we can at least try to bring both cultures this understanding that you know we all live next to each other and in cases like this amongst each other and let’s uh spread a little more kindness and and uh less judgment upon people. Oh man, we were talking about that how gajun hate other gaijin in Japan. The gajun are the biggest critics of Americans. Westerners criticize other westerners. They get in this fight about who loves Japan more. My Japan is more authentic than your Japan. I love Japan more than you. My Japan I’ve had 20 years of experience to your puny what? Seven 13 in Asia. Yeah. Not even a third of what I’ve experienced. Jeez. It really does devolve in that into that kind of argument, doesn’t it? Oh, 100%. 100%. My Japanese is better than your Japanese. Yes. The language measuring, the experience measuring. Like I did. I I did this super obscure hobby that even Japanese people don’t know. I did Yabusame. Did you do Yabusame? If you didn’t do Yabusame and Kudo, you’re Do you even like Japan? Do you even live there, bro? I have to say the expat community in China is not that toxic. The expat community in Japan is way more toxic. I’m just talking about the foreigners like us, the westerners that live in China. They don’t get into these stupid arguments of who loves the country more. Okay. Okay. Like maybe people are way more protective of Japan than they are of China. That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Especially the anime crowd, the manga crowd, the Don’t say anything bad about Japan. Yes. They get so defensive and I love Japan more than you. And nobody really does that in the expat community in China like I love China more than you. I think we’ve covered a lot and a lot of ground. I think we got our steps in today. Um thank you for coming along. Thanks for meeting with me. It was a real pleasure. It’s It was fun. We had We actually sat in a Vietnamese cafe for probably an hour and we didn’t even have Chinese stuff here. What happened? Well, I that was actually my thought like you were going to point out some of the authentic places. Oh, there’s only like two. Only two. All these are made for I mean, look at all the little plates there. Little plates is not Chinese culture. They don’t give you little plates in a toku. There’s no toku in China. No combo meal. You just get one plate of food and you share it with people. How about tab hoai? Do they do tabi hoai in China? The all you can eat. Buffets a little bit. But this is all for Japanese tourists, which is fine. Doesn’t taste bad. It’s just not authentic, right? That’s one of the interesting things about going to Chinatowns in different parts of the world. Like if you go to Singapore, Chinatown, there’s so many Chinese there. Like there is the tourist kind of quadrant. Yeah. But then you have the uh like the traditional Chinese medicine shops there that are, you know, have all the scary looking voodoo stuff in them. And um you don’t really you don’t find that at all here. I don’t think there’s a there’s some good tea shops here where you can buy like puar tea and ulong tea but but uh not not like TCM the good restaurants if you do want some excellent authentic Chinese food if you care about that go to Iikbukuro that’s actually the unofficial Chinatown of Tokyo this is the tourist spot I buuro is the place where actual Chinese people eat this is where Japanese people come to have fun so what do the Chinese people live here. Do they just eat at home? Yeah. Yeah. They have supermarkets here that are Chinese, but they don’t eat this food. They go to Eekuro if they want to eat Chinese food. Okay. It’s funny how, you know, you said you’ve lived here all these years and you didn’t realize how protective foreigners are of Japan. They don’t I don’t see that in other countries. I didn’t see that in China. like the expat community here is really I don’t they feel they need to protect Japan and kind of own Japan and my Japan and protect it from outsiders. I didn’t see that in China. Like the Westerners there were a lot more chill to be honest. Yeah, that it’s true. This is a lesson I just learned and it’s what I really wanted to get into meeting you today is some of those differences of expat communities because as I started off saying I’ve only lived here in the foreign country and and I think many of my viewers have fallen in love with Japan and here mainly because Japan has incredible soft power influence through manga through TV through movies through games. China doesn’t have that. So, people aren’t as invested in it and they don’t feel the need to go that hard in protecting it. So, a lot of that comes from soft power. Lesson learned. Yeah. Cool. Thank you so much for volunteering to be on the channel and coming all the way down from Tokyo to be a part of it. Anytime. I hope that you’ll be willing to do this again and and uh Sure. Anytime. Cool. Anytime. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for watching. If you’re still here and you haven’t liked and subscribed, what are you doing? like now’s the best time, best way to support the channel and go over check out her channel as well. I’ll link it below. Oriental Pearl. Yep. Nice. China. China told you to take that name, right? Uh, yes. Because I’m promoting Shanghai over Tokyo. So, you guys should take a trip to Shanghai. And we’re going to get Paul on board, too. He’s going to accept the China money soon. We’re going to make him a deal he can’t refuse. My secret CIA ties won’t allow that to happen. No, we’ll pay you more than the Americans. China’s got more money. Okay, let’s talk off camera. Okay, good.

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