Last Radio from Army Helicopter | Mid-Air Crash with American Airlines CRJ-700
PART 1 VIDEO https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk
This PART 2 video includes audio to/from PAT25 on dedicated Helicopter frequency and talking to Tower normally, not covered in the PART 1 video. This concludes that PAT25 had indeed a traffic in sight (not confirmed if JIA5342 or AAL3130, or another) and requested visual separation, which Tower approved.
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PART 1 VIDEO https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk
This PART 2 video includes audio to/from PAT25 on dedicated Helicopter frequency and talking to Tower normally, not covered in the PART 1 video. This concludes that PAT25 had indeed a traffic in sight (not confirmed if JIA5342 or AAL3130, or another) and requested visual separation, which Tower approved.
Apparently – you’re supposed to treat military helicopters exactly as you would a inexperienced Cessna. – lesson learned –
ATC is a chess game and you need the best players
Спасибо!!!!
If not mistaken is it a repeat mid air collision that happen in1979 PSA airline before Christmas?May all the soul rest in peace.
The female pilot did not respond to the ATC. It was a male voice answering the tower. That may be normal, but it sounds not normal. Who had the CRJ in sight? If the pilot did not see the plane, she may have been influenced by the 'voice' who responded saying he/she did see it. That is error 1. Error 2 is the ATC. They are responsible for controlling air traffic. Controlling means correcting errors they see occurring or about to occur. Example- "I see you are on a collision course with another aircraft, change course immediately." There are other errors but those 2 seem to be have been easily avoidable/correctable. God rest the souls of all the victims. God help the ATC who will never forget this and forever question what went wrong. God help us to learn from this tragedy to prevent a recurrence.
Это таран! Зачем же тогда вертолет там был? И зачем диспетчер не приказывал немндленно убраться оот посадочной полосы?
Pat25 uses a different channel to talk with it's base. Is this audio available?
Stupid tower .
It’ll be interesting to see whether this accident will motivate the Army to reinstate its “glass cockpit” mod program. It was/is one of those rare programs that could actually improve safety and efficiency rather than just serving to transfer tax payer money to defense contractor execs.
Sounds like everyone was doing the right thing
But, unlike Gibbs rule # 3 on NCIS, they believed what they were told and didn't DOUBLE CHECK!!
When I fly through controlled airspace, ATC always inform me
of other aircraft in my vicinity by saying their relative position, direction of travel, distance, and altitude etc.
'aircraft is 3 miles at your 2 o'clock position heading 270 degrees at 3,000 feet'
This was not done by the DC controllers.
and they should have been reaching for the alarm button when the airliner and Helo were rapidly approaching each other.
🙏🙏🙏
More drama so y’all don’t pay attention in food price increases dump 4ss
CPC did not tell the RJ about PAT25. Required but failed. Tell Pat25 to remain north of the RY33 final until advised – "traffic…". Im not positive PAT had correct airplane in sight even though he said he did (night, tough to tell model aircraft at night, was helo flying with NVG's?).
Why just one CPC on local control and not 2 to split workload, coordination and frequency congestion? What was staffing situation? How many on break? Tough but needed questions. 47 years comm pilot/CFI: 34 years of terminal/fly-in/airshow ATC experience led me to these comments/questions. Sad for all! Thank you VASA.
I'm not a pilot, but I feel the control tower should have given the helicopter the position of the aircraft they wanted them to be aware of, such as, 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock, 5 o'clock, etc.
Victor, greetings and thank you for ALL you post and the work involved in doing so!
This video and other suggests PATS and civil traffic was on same frequencies (communications to multiple aircraft, including helo, without break): VHF. The description states on "dedicated" frequency. For clarification, in this postings and others, did you do an overlay of multiple frequencies? Was PATS on UHF?
I ask to try and increase my SA in this tragedy.
Whiles PATS25 acknowledges visual with the CRJ, I am not familiar with any advisories to to the PSA crew. In your review of the audio, have you heard ATC mentioning the helo to 5342?
Respectfully, Sean
Las luces que titilan (encienden y apagan constantemente) en las alas de los aviones que se llaman luces anticolisión, luces estroboscópicas o luces de baliza, en el Jet CR 5342 prácticamente NO SE VEN en el video de la colisión (??)… Sin embargo, en el otro avión que en ese mismo video se observa subiendo (despegando desde el aeropuerto) dichas luces se observan titilar CLARAMENTE… Dado que por las razones que fueran, al menos antes del impacto, el Jet CR 5342 y el helicóptero volaban a la MISMA ALTITUD, las otras luces fijas (NO TITILANTES) del CR 5342 quizás fueron confundidas por el piloto del helicóptero con la infinidad del resto de luces de los edificios de la ciudad… Por lo tanto, a menos que el piloto del helicóptero por razones desconocidas haya decidido chocar a propósito con el jet CR 5342, fue la falta de una buena visión de sus luces anticolisión, luces estroboscópicas o luces de baliza lo que provocó la lamentable colisión… LM020225
God rest the souls on board. No one deserves this. It’s frightening to think of how this unfolded.
As a layman here in Scotland and not wanting to be going over and over it, I am a bit confused who is AA3130? I thought the CRJ was an AA. Once again I don’t mean to clog this up and I am not mentally really wanting to go over all the stuff the now but rest in peace to all and prayers for the family.
May Jesus give everyone strength to get through this.
The distance between those 2 bridges is 5 miles. The Black Hawk stated he had the traffic in sight and requested visual separation at 5 miles. No way he could see the plane that distance at night. #tragic
Do you know for sure that PAT25 was transmitting on UHF, because AFAIK, there is also a separate VHF for the VFR route 4
ATC were really quick to respond and right on the ball here. The helicopter clearly had eyes on the wrong aircraft…maybe 3130? Tragic accident but it begs questions about military operations in this close proximity to civilian traffic.
Both the air crew of pat25 and the ctc were in the wrong.
Helo pilot definitely sounded like he thought he was top gun.
If the blackhawk saw a different airplane by mistake, which one would it have been? And do they not have traffic display?
What warning did he give him in time to do anything.
How many Souls on board😢..so devastating
EXCELLENT!!!! As always…. The underlay of the helo routes makews this more visually stunning as the altitudes closed. THANK YOU!
🚨 DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR WHERE HELICOPTER SAID, "YOU'RE FK-ING WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE" …. its a little lower than when he speaks to ATC and during that time. Someone actually has a video pointing it out and ITS CLEAR AS DAY❓️❓️
It is so disappointing to listen to this. It sounds so unprofessional. Urgency after the crash. If a travel agent ever sends me to Reagan International, I will defer. Scary. Those poor souls and their families.
2:19 Someone just got the gravity of the situation
1:16 freaks me out a little bit. Pilot's voice changes completely "PAT25 has aaa.." Different voice: "the aircraft in sight, request visual separation" Someone else take over the radio and copter? I'm I allowed to ask that?
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The helicopter and the plane was crossing approximately 90 degrees.
The potomac river runs perpendicular to the runway 33 used by the CRJ.
One sec before collision the crew and the cabin would have seen an unavoidable doomed black hawk heading at the right side at an unavoidable pace and the pilot of the CRJ attempted to no avail as a knee jerk reaction to increase altitude.
Meanwhile in the black hawk, the female pilot saw no sight of the CRJ on her 9 to 12 oclock position.
She was looking forward trying to cross the potomac river at a brisk pace completely unaware of a CRJ on route across the runway 33 despite asking for visual separation twice and confirming she has visual separation TWICE. She was told by the Air traffic controller to watch the runway 33 and to go BEHIND the CRJ.
It doesn't matter if she didnt see the CRJ or looking at the wrong one. The path she cross is ACROSS traffic of runway 33. Her 450 flight hours didnt teach her enough to NOT cross traffic with runway 33. Her laser focus was on a different CRJ or somewhere else in the clouds.
Either way her path was right in front of runway 33. Regardless of whether she looked at the wrong plane she KNEW or should have known that regardless of visual separation and not seeing any CRJ that a plane is landing and to go around it.
Somehow on this night she thinks going around it means that if she sees NOTHING that means going around means Absolutely NOTHING and that what she doesnt see doesnt have to be obeyed. Army discipline were not obeyed and common sense be damned.
At 1:21 atc asked if they had crj in sight and they confirmed. Im checking this video and the plane directly behind the crj IS NOT another crj so what are folks talking about when they say the copter was looking at another plane and not the crj ? There’s no mix-up there at all. Unless you count the pilots inattention or failing to yield to the plane ✈️ 😮
And the atc gave the coordinates of the crj when it was at 1200 feet to the copter crew !!!
Visual separation approved? They should have said that they were flying too high and make a chamge right away.
The ATC if had just said to Copter the flight no. then who knows it might have saved the crash …. Small human errors .. assumptions … sadly turn deadly
The poor AA3130 saw it happen right in front of them and were in such shock they needed the diversion instructions relayed twice. Man, I hope those pilots are getting paid leave and are with loved ones right now.
0:27 Hawk was told exactly where plane would be
There is NO way that at about 6 miles separation from the basin that the BH pilot could correctly identify and actually see the CRJ traffic as per VS rules.
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(Pop repl) You fly drones around the world an here at hone you folks always drop the ball.They should be better communication between the planes just like the military…but we are not the government priority
What the hell?!? 1:09
JIA5342 accepted 33 almost immediately after asked. Is it routine for them to brief both 1 and 33?
Control tower gave pat 25 approval for visual separation 0:33 with the AA jet, asked him again if they saw the crj 1:09 and 3rd told him to go behind the crj "after the Helo said they had aircraft in sight and requested visual separation".1:15… No Way they didn't see the lights of that incoming jet, so stop all the what if comments. Atc is let off the hook as soon helo said he had visual, then atc gave him a follow up order to pass behind. the jet. unfortunately they had other plans. Sad😢
The helicopter was wrong in all ways. That is it. Guilt. 😢